Forum: Strategy Téma: playing style --------------------- cap: Hi, I just got the game recently and only have the 2 basic decks so far. I have the others on order but am so far really enjoying just playing with the standard decks. How many people go on to do constructed decks? Is this something that most people switch to exclusively? Does playing with the standard decks get old eventually? Anybody want to share some good constructed decks so I can get some ideas? Lachwurzn: > How many people go on to do constructed decks? Is this something that most people switch to exclusively? Does playing with the standard decks get old eventually? Yes. It starts "getting old" as soon as you get your hands on a third deck and you will from then on only play with constructed decks. Trust me... Ladoik: I don't agree with Lachwurzn, it maybe intresting to play with basicdecks, even if you're and expirienced Player. But it's right, playing with constructed Decks is very intresting. Also its intresting to construct the Deck. ;) I'll translate my Decks if i get the Time to to it, so we can share it. trumpetfish: Hi cap, This is a translation of an article I wrote for the german section on vulca-deck-construction. You get a vulca-deck out of it which is powerful also in the element earth with some options to specify your deck if you know your opponent’s people, as was the case in the BlueMonnOnlineLiga, 2. season. The names of the cards are in german cause I don’t have an english version of the game, but the numbers should give you the needed information. It’s a kind of “Do it Yourself”-programm to get various, slighlty modified decks, and it should give you an idea of how to create decks. Fixed Cards (23, take all of them) V01FlammarChar7/0 V02BlizzarChar6/3 V03SengarChar6/0 V04LavarChar5/4 V05VolcaChar5/1 V06MagmaChar4/3 V07GlutarChar3/4 V14AshaChar2/2remove booster or support card V15FlackaChar2/2additional carddraw V16ZundarChar1/1only char with extra function V19HöllenrüstungS0/0shield earth V20Urgewaltiger ZauberSincreases strength to 6 V21VulkanhandschuheSdoubles fire V22TitanhandschuheSdoubles earth V23BlitzschlägeB3/1 V24FeuerzauberB1/1no leadership-cards V26FeuerwallBopponent can’t draw V27GeisterbilderBone more dragon on retreat V28Dunkler MeisterLStake back active card V29FeuersbrunstLSremove opponent’s support card V30BezauberungLSdragon for 8 fire Mut101Den-bal-TonChar8/8needed for LS V30 Mut106Zig-nur-DonChar4/0needed against earth Chars with high earth values (choose 1-3) plus one support or booster card (2-4 cards, 2-7 moons) T02RombanChar 2M3/6 T03SuronamChar 2M0/6 T05CatusanChar 1M1/5 M04Jungfrau ErdeChar 2M1/6symbol means disandvantage (Mad Mike) M08Bewahrerin LichtChar 1M2/5symbol means disadvantage (Mad Mike) F03KralleChar 1M2/4take back T20ErdbohrerS2M1/3 H24GeschosseS2M1/2take back H22SchleuderS1M1/2 H19BumerangB2M2/2take back A20ErdwasserB2Mstrength in earth 7 Choose one or two cards for additional carddraw (1-2 cards, 1-6 moons) H15KetharkopasChar 2M2/2draw until 9 cards H27SammleLS4Mtake 5 cards M19Schamane künft. Held.Char 1M2/2take 3, give 2 Choose 1 or 2 specific Flit-Chars with take-back-symbol (1-2 cards, 1-3 moons) F06PlusterChar 1M2/2against Khind, Mimix F07ZirperChar 2M2/2always good F08ZwitscherChar 1M2/2against Hoax, Terrah, Vulca F09TrillerChar 1M2/2against Flit, Vulca F10PlärrerChar 1M2/2against Mimix, Khind, Flit Fill up your deck with more specific anti-cards (0-3 cards, 0-5 moons) A30ErtränkeLS2Mremove active cards, against Khind,Mimix,Flit P17ErdaushöhlerB2Mthrow away cards with 3 earth, against Vulca T25MorastS1Mno higher than 4, against Vulca,Terrah,Mimix T26NebelS2Mignores symbols, against Khind, Flit, Mimix T27TreibsandS2Monly 4 cards, especially good against Flit K26HöllenlärmS2Mno support cards, against Hoax F13Mad MikeChar 2M0/0ignores symbols, against Khind, Mimix H17SarogakanasChar 1M1/1take cards from your opponent (always good) T15BashdinChar 1M1/2opp. must throw away 2 cards (always good) P13Cardus NikkusChar 1M2/2take card from your opp. (always good) If you don’t reach 30 cards because you have no more moons left, you can fill up your deck with Kratar (V09 Char 2/4), Etnar (V08 Char 4/2) or Feuerstoss (V18 V 3/2), in this order.You should have at least 17 chars, better 18. Card-draw and take-back-Chars (Flits) are essential to guarantee you always enough chars on your hand. Hope, I could be useful. As you see, for deck-construction you should be able to use all the other people. Greetings, trumpetfish Dearlove: trumpetfish hat folgendes geschrieben: The names of the cards are in german cause I don’t have an english version of the game Should you want the English names of the cards, you can look at http://www.blue-moon-games.com/us/spiel/spielidee.html and click on each people set and look at the list down the right hand side. The other way round (if you have the English cards but want the German names), use http://www.blue-moon-games.com/de/spiel/spielidee.html. As an alternative to the first, there's a spreadsheet linked from the BoardGameGeek page. Lachwurzn: Dearlove, are there any specific "basic rules" for the naming conventions of the cards (i.e. card title) ?There is certainly some schema behind it, but I have not been able to identify any general rule. It seems to me that it's arher the case that each people set follows its own rules ? Dearlove: Lachwurzn hat folgendes geschrieben: Dearlove, are there any specific "basic rules" for the naming conventions of the cards (i.e. card title) ?There is certainly some schema behind it, but I have not been able to identify any general rule. It seems to me that it's arher the case that each people set follows its own rules ? Basically the rule is whatever Reiner, Kosmos etc. are happy with. And yes, that does mean 8 (9 with mutants) different naming patterns. (You've seen at one Pillar and one Aqua character, so I'm not really telling you anything new there.) This is obviously to give each people its own "flavour". In fact (unpulished snippet here) the last major name change was a wholesale renaming of the Hoax, presumably (I was out of the loop on this one) as their old names (no, not telling) weren't distinctive enough. Incidentally my favourite set of names (of all 8) is the Mimix. Now what I don't know is the logic of the translations into German (I'm reasonably sure this is the direction, though there may be feedback - if you want evidence, look at Magma - if translating from German, why change it?). Many are straightforward, but how does Summon Sorceror become the more specific Rufe den Dunklen Meister? I could ask, but I don't think it important enough to do so right now. Lachwurzn: Zitat: Now what I don't know is the logic of the translations into German (I'm reasonably sure this is the direction, though there may be feedback - if you want evidence, look at Magma - if translating from German, why change it?). Wait a moment... does that mean that most cards were "texted" in English and THEN translated into German ?Up to now, I was under the impression that it was the other way around. Anyway, I'm definitely with you that the Mimix have the best "names" whereas the Khind are considered to be (at least in the German version) too crazy/childish (even if this was intentional - most people don't get the humor here) and I have heard from quite many people that they don't like to play with the Khind simply because of this. Isn't it funny how much such a little detail can influence people's opinions ? Pesonally, I consider the Hoax to be the best from an illustration point of view with an additional bonus of good card names. Dearlove: Lachwurzn hat folgendes geschrieben: Wait a moment... does that mean that most cards were "texted" in English and THEN translated into German ?Up to now, I was under the impression that it was the other way around. I can definitely confirm that some cards which were hammered into shape in playtesting were definitely done in English. And much work was done (not by me - see the special credits in the rulebook) on the text by native English speakers, although with considerably more German than me. Reiner of course isn't an argument either way, he's effectively bilingual. So I'm not saying for sure that everything was English first, but it certainly wasn't all German first. I may ask for details some time. If I do I'll let you know. Lachwurzn hat folgendes geschrieben: Anyway, I'm definitely with you that the Mimix have the best "names" whereas the Khind are considered to be (at least in the German version) too crazy/childish (even if this was intentional - most people don't get the humor here) and I have heard from quite many people that they don't like to play with the Khind simply because of this. Isn't it funny how much such a little detail can influence people's opinions ? I've never seen the Khind in English as childish. OK, TopBanana is colloquial, and a couple of others approach it. From that point of view the one Pillar character we have Cardus Nikkus is a weak joke in English (to "nick" is slang for to steal, and card you must know) - does that carry over at all into German (where I see the card has the same name). Lachwurzn hat folgendes geschrieben: Pesonally, I consider the Hoax to be the best from an illustration point of view with an additional bonus of good card names. Maybe. Lachwurzn: As a final statement about the illustration topic... we had a voting within the German language version of the forum this summer and the result of preferences from an illustration point of view was was pretty clear: Vulca: 8% Hoax: 40% Mimix: 44% Flit: 0% Terrah: 4% Khind: 4% Of course, this was not a representative amount of thousands of people, but there is a clear trend and I would believe that this would be pretty much language-independent... Lachwurzn: Zitat: From that point of view the one Pillar character we have Cardus Nikkus is a weak joke in English (to "nick" is slang for to steal, and card you must know) - does that carry over at all into German (where I see the card has the same name). Cardus Nikkus has the same name in German. As we don't know about any other character names of the Pillar yet (the other ones are booster cards), it's hard to guess for us what the general naming convention for Pillar character cards will be. It might have to do with Latin. Having to "nick" carry over into German really perfectly might be hard, but there are quite a number of words for that available: "rauben", "klauen", "mausen", "mopsen", "stibitzen", "ergaunern",... Revenge: Zitat: As a final statement about the illustration topic... we had a voting within the German language version of the forum this summer and the result of preferences from an illustration point of view was was pretty clear: Vulca: 8% Hoax: 40% Mimix: 44% Flit: 0% Terrah: 4% Khind: 4% Well, I think the Mimix-ladies got 44% and won the vote because we have ~95% (?) male members here... :wink: I wonder what good showing the Daria had made! :-" Ruwenzori: 102% then? *gg We should re-do that voting after the Pillar then. I would vote for Hoax. I love that style of illustration. Lachwurzn: Revenge hat folgendes geschrieben: Well, I think the Mimix-ladies got 44% and won the vote because we have ~95% (?) male members here... :wink: I wonder what good showing the Daria had made! :-" I agree with Ruwi. ;-) Seriously, I don't think that the unofficial fan cards can keep up at all with the official cards as far as illustration is concerned. And if we consider the unofficial cards in their own "minor" league I would rank them as follows (and I guess I have a pretty good overview on how much effort was put into illustrating them respectively): 1. Rhul 2. Wyrm 3. Daria 4. Ghonzo 5. TheRoon Revenge: My inofficial ranking: 1. Wyrm (nearly 2) 2. Rhul (nearly 1) 3. Daria 4. Ghonzo 5. ThaRoon Unfortunately the Azuth are still in progress.