Forum: Rule Questions Téma: Anmerkungen zur englischen FAQ -------------------------------------- Ruwenzori: Ich würde gern wissen, ob die folgenden Neuaufnahmen der englischen FAQ vom 12.1.2007 eurer Meinung nach auch in die deutsche Liste sollten. ========================================== 1. F: Wenn ich "Ertränke den Widerstand" auslege, wer bestimmt die 1 "außer"-Karte? "Jetzt darf ich alle aktiven Karten aus deinem Kampfbereich abwerfen, außer 1 aktiven Charakter und Karten, die ein GESCHÜTZT-Symbol haben." A: derjenige, der die Karte auslegt, da er ja alle Karten außer der einen bestimmt. Ruwi meint: nein, nicht sinnvoll. ========================================== 2. F: Kann ich die Sonderfunktionen inaktiver Karten benutzen? A: Nein, weil das durch den Ausdruck "inaktiv" bestimmt wird. Ruwi meint: nein, nicht sinnvoll. ========================================== 3. F: Wenn du einen aktiven Feuerwall hast ("Du darfst keine Karten von Deinem Nachziehstapel nehmen."), darf ich "Erbitte eine Gunst" ("Jetzt darf ich aus meinem Nachziehstapel entweder 1 Einflusskarte auswählen und auslegen oder 1 Charakter/Verstärkung/Unterstützung auswählen und auf ein Schiff laden. Danach mische ich meinen Nachziehstapel.") auslegen? A: Auslegen ja, benutzen nein, da beide Aktionen das Entnehmen einer Karte vom Nachziehstapel bedeuten, was verboten ist. Ruwi meint: ja, sinnvoll. ========================================== 4. F: Dieselbe Situation, aber mit gegnerischem Bottelius Emptius ("Du darfst keine weiteren Karten auf deine Hand nehmen.") A: Ja, sowohl auslegen als auch benutzen, da die auszulegende Karte nicht auf die Hand genommen wird. Ruwi meint: ja, sinnvoll. ========================================== 5. F: Kann ich Karten mit der Bedingung "...aus meiner Hand..." auch von einem Schiff auslegen? A: Ja. Ruwi meint: nein, nicht sinnvoll. ========================================== Gruß, Ruwi Ladoik: 1. Ja, sinnvoll 2. Nein, nicht Sinvoll 3. und 4. Nicht zwingend, stört aber auch nicht wenn doch :) 5. Nein, nicht Sinvoll trumpetfish: Die Fragen zu Erbitte eine Gunst (3+4) aufnehmen, den Rest nicht. Gruss, trumpetfish Dearlove: If your objective is a list with the important questions in, but not the ones that ought to be obviously, I agree with Ruwenzori. (Maybe to people's surprise.) The two main audiences for Blue Moon information would appear to be here (mostly German speaking) and on the Board Game Geek (mostly English speaking). There do appear to be quite significant differences in the two audiences. I suspect it's down to the natures of the sites rather than a language thing, but who knows? One difference is the level of sophistication - those questions Ruwi thinks aren't critical were actually asked by someone. The other is that here is much more Advanced Game and Inquisitor oriented (at least in comparison, I don't know about absolutely), the Geek is more preconstructed deck oriented. Ruwenzori: Ich habe mit der aktuellen englischen FAQ vom 10.2.2008 mal wieder einen Vergleich zur letzten Version, für die ich solch einen Vergleich gemacht hatte (die vom Januar 2007), durchgeführt. Dabei kam ich auf folgende interessante neue Punkte, die ich euch hier gern zur Kenntnis geben möchte. 1. Definition der Orte, an denen Karten sein können. Es handelt sich darum einfach um eine Sammlung aller Orte aus den jeweiligen Spielregeln (Basis, Erweiterung, Buka), mit der Konsequenz, dass Karten niemals dazwischen sein können (der sogennannte "Limbo"). Diese Definition benötigt man zur exakten Beantwortung einiger Spezialfälle. Zitat: Card Play: Locations and Status ------------------------------- Q: Where can my cards be? A: In the basic game, your cards are always in your draw deck, in your hand (note that this includes disclosed cards), in your discard pile (not leadership cards), in a pile on your leader card (leadership cards only), in your combat area (character and booster cards only) or in your support area (support cards only). With Allies and Emissaries, your cards can also be in your influence area (one Hyla card only) or in your achievement area (crystal cards only). With the Buka Invasion your cards can also be in your influence area (ships and cards loaded on ships only), or landed (ships and cards loaded on ships only), in addition face down character cards with the BLUFF icon can be in your support area. A card is never "in limbo" between these places. (Rulebook page 18, Special Rule 10: 'At all times during the game, your cards are either in your hand or on your side of the game board.'.) 2. Der Sinn dieses Eintrags erschließt sich mir nicht, deswegen kann ich auch kein Thema dazu vergeben. Möglicherweise ging es darum, ob ein WA-Symbol von einem Schiff aus ausgelegt wurde? Oder dass man mehrere WA-Charaktere ausliegen hat und nur so viele nicht wiederaufnehmen kann, wie der Gegner ausliegen hat? Zitat: Q: If I play Captain Ariosa Paal [Buka 03] (RETRIEVE icon) and Ciklarethas the Bitter [Hoax 05] (RETRIEVE icon) from a ship, and then you play a character card with a RETRIEVE icon, can I retrieve either of my character cards? A: No, you cannot. Rulebook page 15, under RETRIEVE: 'If your opponent’s combat area contains active character cards depicting the RETRIEVE icon then you may not apply the RETRIEVE function depicted on your character cards.' refers to character cards. Die Frage lautet, wenn man Ariosa Paal und Ciklarethas von einem Schiff aus auslegt, der Gegner legt dann ebenfalls einen WA-Char, wieviele seiner Chars darf man wiederaufnehmen? Antwort: keinen. 3. Wie lange wirken "Als ob"-Symbole? Zitat: Q: You have active Mad Mike Magpie [Flit 13, Terrah deck] ("Your cards with icons are ignored, except Flit character cards and PROTECTED cards."). If I play Yang [Aqua 12] ("The next character/booster/support card I play on this turn is treated as if it had the FREE icon.") and booster card Butterfly Scout [Pillar 27] ("Now you disclose your hand.") then do you disclose your hand? A: Yes, I do. The FREE icon added by Yang lasts only while the card it is added to is played, it does not last until the card's special power text is read and actioned, and hence Butterfly Scout no longer has a FREE icon when its special power text is actioned, and hence Mad Mike Magpie has no effect on it, and I must disclose my hand. Die Frage ist, wenn der Gegner meine Symbole ignoriert, und ich spiele Yin oder Yang und danach (nicht als FREIe Karte, da ja FREI ignoriert wird) den Späher-Falter "Jetzt musst du deine Handkarten aufdecken." - gilt dessen SF? Antwort: Ja, weil das FREI-Symbol nur im Moment des Auslegens gilt, damit auch das Ignorieren nur in dem Moment erfolgt und man danach, wenn die SF vorgelesen und ausgeführt wird, unignoriert ist. Ergo muß der Gegner aufdecken. 4. Frage zu Erdgeistern Zitat: Q: If we both have six cards in hand, and I play leadership card Earth Spirit [Promo 902] ("If I have fewer cards in my hand than you, now I may draw to the same number of cards."), how many cards do I draw? A: One. First you play Earth Spirit, and have five cards in hand. Then you read and apply the card text, allowing you to draw to six cards, thus drawing one card. (Note that this is different to how cards are counted in the previous answer, because that text is a condition on playing a card from hand, and is read and applied while in hand, while this text is normal text which is applied after the card is played.) Die Frage ist, wenn beide Spieler 6 Handkarten habe, und ich lege die Erdgeister aus, wieviele Karten ziehe ich dann? Antwort: 1 (da der Text ausgeführt wird, nachdem sie ausgelegt wurde). 4. Beispiele ergänzt für den Fall des Karten-aktiv-Bleibens Zitat: Q: If I keep a card active for longer than one turn, can I use its special power text again? A: Special power texts divide into three groups. The first group is of texts which take effect when their card is played, and thereafter don't have any effect. This group contains texts using the word "now", texts applied while in hand (see question "When is special power text first effective?"), texts changing the contested element, and the texts on KhindKin [Khind 23, E&I:A deck] ("I may play this card into my combat area without pushing the previously active cards under it."), Bounce Back [Khind 31, Pillar deck] ("My active cards attack again."), Yang [Aqua 12] ("The next character/booster/support card I play on this turn is treated as if it had the FREE icon.") and Yin [Aqua 13] ("The next character/booster/support card I play on this turn is treated as if it had the FREE icon."). The second group is of texts which, as long as they remain active, can be used once on each of my turns, or which apply once on each of your turns, or may be used each time the indicated event happens. This group contains texts including one of the phrases "On my turn", "At the end of my turn", "If my turn is about to end", "at the beginning of my turn", "During my Leadership phase" "By the end of your Booster/Support phase", "On your turn, you must", "If you retreat", or "At the end of each fight". The third group is of texts which continue to be effective as long as their card is active, and contains all other texts. Q: Can you give some examples, based on the previous answer, of how special power texts behave if I play leadership card Bounce Back [Khind 31, Pillar deck] ("My active cards attack again.")? A: If you have active Gloria Gracia [Pillar 12] ("Now I may retrieve one card (not this card) from my combat area into my hand.") then you do not get to retrieve another card (first group). If you have active Gulpus Permanentus [Pillar 11] ("On my turn, I may play one additional booster card.") then you can play another booster card (second group). If you have active booster card Caterpillar Fireeater [Pillar 16] ("By the end of your Booster/Support phase, you must discard cards with a total printed value of at least 3 Fire from your hand, or retreat.") then I must discard again to avoid having to retreat (second group). If you have active booster card Potion of Cosmic Power [Pillar 21] ("The values of one of my character cards double.") then it continues to have its effect (third group). 5. Welcher Charakter verdoppelt sich? Auch der Sinn dieses Eintrags erschließt sich mir nicht. Die Spielregel ist doch hier sehr klar. Zitat: Q: If I have active support card Duplicator of Strength [Hoax 25] ("The Earth value of one of my character cards doubles."), how is the character card chosen? A: Rulebook page 17, under Special Rule 3: 'The original player of a card always determines how the card is applied.'. Normally this means that the Duplicator of Strength applies to your one character card, applying to a new character card each time you play a character card. However if you have more than one active character card (for example using FREE, PAIR or GANG icons) then you can choose which character card is affected. 6. Liste aller ignorierbaren Karten für die Statistiker unter uns. Zitat: Q: Which cards can be ignored? A: There are only six cards that have special power text which ignores cards, and they ignore only character cards, booster cards, support cards, and cards with icons (which includes only those cards, leadership card Bounce Back [Khind 31, Pillar deck] (STOP icon, "My active cards attack again."), and interference cards and crystal cards, which both all have the REPLACE icon). 7. Liste aller ignorierbaren Texte dito. Zitat: Q: When a card is ignored, or its special power text is ignored, which text is ignored? Does this apply to all card types? A: The text indicated as 'Special Power' in the illustration on rulebook page 5, below the card name. This applies to all text on all cards, except to that relating to deck composition on leader cards, emissary cards and inquisitor cards (which it is too late to ignore) and to ship capacity (Buka Invasion rulesheet, under Loading a Ship: 'This capacity is neither special power text nor an icon, it cannot be ignored.'). Application to all cards includes character cards, booster cards, support cards, leadership cards, influence cards (Hyla and ship cards), achievement cards (crystal cards), interference cards and inquisitor cards, except as noted. (It would also apply to leader cards and emissary cards if any of them had any special power text.) 8. komplette Matrix des Ignorierens von SF erstellt Zitat: Q: What happens if we both have active cards which ignore special power texts? A: There are three such cards: character card Tittertweet [Flit 07] ("Your special power texts are ignored, except on Flit character cards."), support card Laughing Gas [Khind 27] ("Your special power texts are ignored, except on Flit character cards. (This card has no effect if opposed by Laughing Gas.)") and leadership card Enthrall Opposition [Hoax 28] ("On this turn, your special power texts are ignored. (This card has no effect if opposed by Tittertweet or Laughing Gas.)"). The interactions are handled by specific mention of other cards in these three cards' special power texts. See the following three questions. (The remaining case, two active Enthrall Opposition cannot occur, as indicated by the previous answer.) Q: What happens if both you and I have active character card Tittertweet [Flit 07] ("Your special power texts are ignored, except on Flit character cards.")? play? A: Each Tittertweet cannot affect the other, because each is a Flit character card, and hence all other special power texts (except other Flit character cards) are ignored, on both sides. Q: What happens if you have active character card Tittertweet [Flit 07] ("Your special power texts are ignored, except on Flit character cards."), and I have active support card Laughing Gas [Khind 27] ("Your special power texts are ignored, except on Flit character cards. (This card has no effect if opposed by Laughing Gas.)")? A: According to the special power text on Laughing Gas it does not affect Flit character cards, which includes Tittertweet. Thus all of your cards, including Laughing Gas, have their special power texts ignored, but none of mine do. (The same result applies if I have active leadership card Enthrall Opposition [Hoax 28] ("On this turn, your special power texts are ignored. (This card has no effect if opposed by Tittertweet or Laughing Gas.)"), and you have active Tittertweet or Laughing Gas.) Q: What happens if both of us have active support card Laughing Gas [Khind 27] ("Your special power texts are ignored, except on Flit character cards. (This card has no effect if opposed by Laughing Gas.)")? A: Both Laughing Gas cards have no effect, and hence no other special power texts are ignored. 9. Frage zu den Raupen Zitat: Q: If you have active booster card Caterpillar Eartheroder [Pillar 17, Terrah deck] ("By the end of your Booster/Support phase, you must discard cards with a total printed value of at least 3 Earth from your hand, or retreat."), when can I make my discard? Can I make a discard and then retreat? A: You can make your discard at any time from your Begiining of Turn phase to your Booster/Support phase. If you make a discard before that point, you can still retreat. Otherwise, you could make the discard, reach your Retreat from Fight? phase or later and determine that you needed to backtrack, but that the only rule permitting backtracking (rulebook page 18, Special Rule 11) does not permit backtracking that far. Q: If you have active booster card Caterpillar Eartheroder [Pillar 17, Terrah deck] ("By the end of your Booster/Support phase, you must discard cards with a total printed value of at least 3 Earth from your hand, or retreat.") do I retreat at the end of my Booster/Support phase? Can I therefore play a character card before retreating? A: You retreat as normal, in the Retreat from Fight? phase. Thus you cannot play a character card before retreating. Although if you are not retreating you do not have to discard cards until after your Retreat from Fight? phase, you are committed to it once you do not retreat, just as you are to matching my power if you do not retreat. If you later determine you cannot, you must backtrack your turn (applying rulebook page 18, under Special Rule 11: 'If no cards have been drawn or revealed, then the game may be backtracked to the situation before the play of the character card.'). Die erste Frage bezieht sich darauf, ob man das Raupenopfer bringen darf und sich danach trotzdem zurückziehen darf. Antwort: ja, man darf zB in der Phase Zugbeginn das Raupenopfer bringen, und man darf sich immer freiwillig in seiner Phase "Rückzug vom Kampf?" zurückziehen. Die zweite Frage behandelt den Fall, wenn ich mich zurückziehen möchte aufgrund der SF einer gegnerischen Raupe. Passiert das in der normalen "Rückzug vom Kampf?"-Phase, oder erst am Ende meiner V-/U-Phase (die in der SF der Raupe erwähnt wird), und könnte somit vorher noch einen Char auslegen? Die Antwort ist, man kann sich nur in seiner "Rückzug vom Kampf?"-Phase zurückziehen und somit keinen Char mehr auslegen. Zitat: Q: If I have active Tittertweet [Flit 07] ("Your special power texts are ignored, except on Flit character cards.") and you have active booster card Caterpillar Lightseeker [Pillar 19] ("By the end of your Booster/Support phase, you must discard cards with a total printed value of at least 5 Fire or 5 Earth from your hand, or retreat.") and then I play another character card covering Tittertweet, do I have to satisfy the requirement to make a discard? Can I make a discard before covering Tittertweet? A: Yes, because if you do not retreat then the condition is not checked until the end of your Booster/Support phase at which point the condition is not ignored, and no, because as long as Tittertweet is active, there is no special power text justifying your discard which is not ignored. Eine sehr interessante Frage. Mein Gegner hat eine Raupe ausliegen, ich ignoriere sie mit meinem aktiven Char. Nun bin ich ja am Zug und muss meinen aktiven Char mit einem neuen überdecken. Frage 1 ist, muß ich das Raupenopfer bringen? Antwort: ja, die SF der Raupe ist ja aktiv am Ende meiner V-/U-Phase. Und Frage 2 ist, kann ich es erbringen, bevor ich meinen Char überdeckt habe? Antwort: nein, es gibt ja keine SF, aufgrund deren ich das tun dürfte. Zitat: Q: I have active Hank Highflyer Hawk [Flit 12, Hoax deck] ("Your character cards are ignored, except Flit character cards.") and you have active character card Crysalus Frendus [Pillar 14] ("The effect of one of my Caterpillar booster cards doubles.") and booster card Caterpillar Fireeater [Pillar 16] ("By the end of your Booster/Support phase, you must discard cards with a total printed value of at least 3 Fire from your hand, or retreat."). I discard Ledinemras the Monk [Hoax 03] (Fire value 4) to satisfy Caterpillar Fireeater's requirement (since Crysalus Frendus is ignored), but then I play another character card, covering Hank Highflyer Hawk, so that Crysalus Frendus is no longer ignored. Do I have to make a further discard to satisfy the doubled requirement of Caterpillar Fireeater? If so, can I make this discard before covering Hank Highflyer Hawk? A: Yes, of at least 2 fire. You check the card text at the end of your Booster/Support phase, and at this point you have only discarded 4 fire, while the requirement is now to discard 6 fire. You must discard a further 2 fire, or retreat. You cannot however make this discard earlier as there is no effective instruction to discard this large a value (rulebook page 17, under Special Rule 5: 'if you are instructed to discard a number of fire or earth values, you may not discard additional cards that do not contribute to satisfying the instruction.'). Eine sich daraus ergebende Folgefrage. Mein Gegner hat eine Raupe und den Char Crysalus Frendus, der den Raupeneffekt verdoppelt. Dieser Char wird aber von mir noch ignoriert. Auch hier muß ich ja durch das Auslegen eines neuen Chars das Ignorieren beenden. Wie verhält sich das jetzt mit dem Raupenopfer? Antwort: genauso wie im vorigen Beispiel, ich muss das verdoppelte Opfer bringen, und wenn ich bereits das unverdoppelte Opfer vorher erbracht hatte (zB in meiner Phase "Zugbeginn"), dann muß ich nach dem Auslegen des neuen Chars bis zum Ende meiner V-/U-Phase noch "nachopfern". Zitat: Q: I have active Hank Highflyer Hawk [Flit 12, Hoax deck] ("Your character cards are ignored, except Flit character cards."), and you have active character card Crysalus Frendus [Pillar 14] ("The effect of one of my Caterpillar booster cards doubles."), booster card Caterpillar Fireeater [Pillar 16] ("By the end of your Booster/Support phase, you must discard cards with a total printed value of at least 3 Fire from your hand, or retreat.") and booster card Caterpillar Eartheroder [Pillar 17, Terrah deck] ("By the end of your Booster/Support phase, you must discard cards with a total printed value of at least 3 Earth from your hand, or retreat."). I play a character card covering Hank Highflyer Hawk, so that Crysalus Frendus is no longer ignored. When is it decided which of your two Caterpillar booster cards is doubled? What happens if I can manage to make a discard if Caterpillar Fireeater is doubled, but not if Caterpillar Eartheroder is doubled? A: The effect of Crysalus Frendus is decided when you retrieve Tittertweet. Rulebook page 17, under Special Rule 2: 'If you apply the instruction on one of your cards to an active card and this active card is influenced or discarded by your opponent, then you may apply the instruction to a different active card.'. The Caterpillar cards becoming no longer ignored is an instance of such influence, and hence I may decide at this point to which Caterpillar card Crysalus Frendus's effect is applied. If you are unable to make the necessary discard (or choose not to) then you are required to retreat, however strictly you are not allowed to backtrack on hearing my choice of which card to double the effects of (see question "The only way I can avoid having to retreat ... ?" in section 'Card Play: General Rules' for the consequences of this). Thus if you can't handle both choices I might make, you should retreat. Jetzt wird es schwer trickreich. Das vorige Beispiel wird auf mehrere Raupen und den Effektverdoppler erweitert. Die Frage ist jetzt, wann wird bestimmt, welcher Raupeneffekt sich verdoppelt, und wie kann ich mich nun zurückziehen, sollte ich den verdoppelten Effekt der gewählten Raupe nicht erfüllen können? Die Antwort ist für mich etwas unbefriedigend: klar ist, dass der Gegner in dem Moment die sich verdoppelnde Raupe bestimmt, in dem der Effekt einsetzt, wo ich also meinen Char auslege, der dazu führt, dass Crysalus nicht mehr ignoriert wird. Die Konsequenz ist aber, da ich mich nun nicht mehr zurückziehen kann ("Rückzug vom Kampf?" ist ja bereits vorbei), und ein Zurückabwickeln des Zuges nur bei Irrtum möglich wäre, ich mich bereits zurückgezogen haben müßte, wenn ich auch nur eine der Verdoppelungsmöglichkeiten aller ausliegenden Raupen nicht erfüllen kann. Ich hätte es befriedigender gefunden, auch für diese Ausnahmesituation eine Rückabwicklung des Zuges zuzulassen. 10. Frage zu Kalebassus Leerus vs. Schamane Zitat: Q: If you have active Bottelus Emptius [Pillar 15] ("You may not take further cards into your hand.") and I play Shaman of the Holy Sacrifice [Mimix 18] ("At the end of my turn, I may reveal (up to) three cards from the top of my draw deck, then discard one of them and take the others into my hand.") what can I do using its special power text? A: Nothing. When you reveal cards, this is as part of taking these cards into your hand. (See also question "Where can my cards be?" in section 'Card Play: Locations and Status'.) But as you cannot do this due to Bottelus Emptius, you cannot reveal any cards. Note that you cannot discard a card either, as that follows the revealing of cards, and is dependent on it. Wenn Kalebassus Leerus ("Du darfst keine weiteren Karten auf deine Hand nehmen.") beim Gegner ausliegt, welchen Teil der SF des Schamanen des Heiligen Opfers ("Am Ende meines Zuges darf ich (bis zu) 3 Karten von meinem Nachziehstapel aufdecken. Von diesen werfe ich 1 Karte ab und nehme die anderen auf meine Hand.") darf ich benutzen? Antwort: gar keinen, da sich der erste Teil der SF auf den zweiten bezieht und mir der zweite verwehrt ist. 11. Frage zu Neth-sur-Pot Zitat: Q: What does "character/booster/support cards" mean in the special power text of mutant Neth-sur-Pot [Mutant 104, Mimix deck] ("I may only play this card if you have at least three active character/booster/support cards. The contested element of the fight changes between Fire and Earth."), do they have to be of the same type? A: No, they do not. This means any combination of three active character cards, booster cards, or support cards. Die Frage ist, müssen die 3 in der SF von Neth-sur-Pot ("Ich darf diese Karte nur auslegen, wenn du mindestens 3 aktive Karten in deinen Kampf- und Unterstützungsbereichen ausliegen hast.") erwähnten Karten vom gleichen Typ sein? Antwort: nein, eine beliebige Kombination der erwähnten Kartenarten ist zulässig. (Die Frage stellt sich nur aufgrund der englischen Formulierung der SF, im Deutschen ist sie bereits klar.) 12. Timing und Aktiv-Sein von Interventionen Zitat: Q: How much time am I allowed to play an interference card in response to one of your actions? A: There isn't a formal answer to this one, it's up to agreement between you and your opponent (or set by a tournament organiser). What I would suggest is reasonable is allowing a short period (maybe a couple of seconds) in which a player can ask for a pause and a longer length of that pause in which the player decides whether to play an interference card (or call a bluff). But players also shouldn't abuse this by pausing every action. Q: When you play an interference card, does it become active? If so, can I discard it using the special power text of TopDog [Khind 06] ("On my turn, I may discard one of your active cards that has an icon, except your last remaining active character card and PROTECTED cards.")? A: The E&I rulesheet does not specify whether an interference card becomes active. It specifies, under Interference Cards: 'Place the interference card face up on your discard pile and read the special power text aloud.'. This indicates that the effect of the special power text is applied on playing the card, as usual, and there is no opportunity to use TopDog to prevent the interference card's effect. After that the interference card is simply on the discard pile, and cannot be active. It is convenient to consider the interference card to be active while it is being applied, but this actually has no effect on play. Frage 1 beschäftigt sich mit der Zeit, die man haben sollte, um eine Intervention auszulegen. Die Antwort ist, das hängt vom Veranstalter eines Turniers ab (sofern der ein Limit setzen möchte), ansonsten vom gesunden Menschenverstand der beiden Spieler. Es sollte genug Zeit sein, ein Veto rufen zu können, dass man sich überlegen möchte, ob man jetzt eine Intervention auslegt, danach maximal einige Sekunden überlegen, ob man es tut oder nicht, und es sollte den Spielverlauf nicht nachhaltig verzögern. Dasselbe gilt für das Sehenlassen eines Bluffs. Die Frage 2 zielt darauf ab, ob eine Intervention aktiv wird oder nicht, und wenn ja, ob man sie dann mit TopDog abwerfen könnte. Die Antwort ist, dass es ungeregelt ist, ob sie aktiv wird, man das aber annehmen sollte, und dass es keinen Zeitpunkt während dieses Aktivseins gibt, an welchem man die SF von TopDog benutzen könnte - die Intervention wird ausgelegt, die SF vorgelesen und ausgeführt und danach wird die Karte abgelegt, das Ganze ist ein ununterbrechbarer Prozeß (Ausnahme: Intervention "Das habe ich erwartet!", da so in deren SF bestimmt). 13. Gedankenblocker vs. Intervention Zitat: Q: If you have active support card Brain Drain [Hoax 26] ("On your turn, you may not play more than one card."), and I play a character card, and you respond with interference card Shame on you! [Inter 402, E&I:A deck] ("I may play this card when you play your first character card on your turn: Your card is cancelled and discarded. You must play a replacement or retreat."), can I respond with interference card I saw that coming! [Inter 407, E&I:A deck] ("I may play this card when you play an interference card. Your card is cancelled and discarded.")? A: No, you cannot. Although Shame on you! will cancel the character card, and cause it not to count as a played card, this would not apply until after I saw that coming! is not played. This is because if, in the absence of Brain Drain, Shame on you! caused the character card to not count as played before I saw that coming! may or may not be played, then the character card would be played, become not played, and then, if I saw that coming! were played, become played again, and the rules do not include the concept of playing a card again, or what its effects would be. Note that I saw that coming! is your only interference card that is affected by Brain Drain, and only if not played in response to my I saw that coming!, as it is the interference card you play in your turn. Diese Frage ist aus der deutschen FAQ bereits bekannt, sie war offenbar bisher nur nie in der englischen Version drin. Wenn der Gedankenblocker ausliegt, kann ich dann meinen mit Schande gecancelten Charakter doch dadurch im Spiel behalten, dass ich mit "Das habe ich erwartet!" kontere? Antwort: nein, weil es immer zur Verletzung der SF des Gedankenblockers führen würde. Ich kann nur einen weiteren Char auslegen. 14. Frage zum Canceln einer AA Zitat: Q: If I play a leadership card, which you cancel using interference card How dare you! [Inter 401, E&I:B deck] ("I may play this card when you play a Leadership phase card: Your card is cancelled and discarded."), can I now play a Hyla, crystal or ship card, or discard a card using the REPLACE icon? A: Yes, you can. The leadership card is cancelled, and does not count as played, so you can take any permitted action in your Leadership phase (including playing another leadership card, or taking no action). Wenn meine AA gecancelt wird, darf ich als Ersatz eine andere in der Phase "Anführeraktion" erlaubte Handlung wählen? Antwort: Ja. 15. Frage zur Modifikation der Kapazität von Schiffen Zitat: Q: Can I modify the capacity of either your ships or my ships? A: No, you cannot. Buka Invasion rulesheet, under Loading a Ship: 'This capacity is neither special power text nor an icon, it cannot be ignored.' and there are no other effects that apply (ship cards, being without icons, cannot be ignored). Kann man die Kapazität von Schiffen beeinflussen? Nein. 16. Frage zum Beladen von Schiffen mit BLUFF-Karten Zitat: Q: Can I load a bluff card onto a ship? A: A card with a BLUFF icon does not become a bluff card until it is played face down in the support area (Buka Invasion rulesheet, under Bluffing: 'Such a facedown card in play is known as a bluff card'). As a character card such a card can be loaded onto a ship, but face up. See also question "Can I play a bluff card from a ship?" in section 'Ships: Playing Cards from Ships'. Kann man BLUFF-Karten auf Schiffe laden? Ja, aber als Charakter-Karten. Sie werden ja erst zum BLUFF, wenn man sie umgedreht in den U-Bereich auslegt, und das passiert erst beim Landen eines Schiffes, wenn man das dann so möchte. 17. Frage zum Sinn leerer BLUFF-Symbole Zitat: Q: What use is an EMPTY BLUFF icon? A: An EMPTY BLUFF icon allows you to play the card with it as a bluff card. Thus you can play Captain Su Cha [Buka 04] (EMPTY BLUFF icon) as a bluff card, but you can't play Captain Ariosa Paal [Buka 03] (RETRIEVE icon) as a bluff card, because it doesn't have a BLUFF icon of any sort. But an EMPTY BLUFF does not match either element (Buka Invasion rulesheet, under Bluffing: 'Some Buka characters have the FIRE BLUFF icon (yellow), the EARTH BLUFF icon (black) or the EMPTY BLUFF icon (clear).'). Thus a bluff card with an EMPTY BLUFF icon is always a losing bluff; if your bluff is called, then you lose, both the dragon and the forced retreat. This is because the bluff card with the EMPTY BLUFF icon, once revealed, matches the condition 'If any of your revealed bluff cards do not have a BLUFF icon in the current element' (Buka Invasion rulesheet, under Bluffing). Only the "real" bluff cards with the FIRE BLUFF and EARTH BLUFF icons can win a bluff (and only if you only have those, and all are of the right element). Diese Frage stellen wohl nur blutige Anfänger, und ich würde sie auch nicht in die deutsche FAQ aufnehmen wollen. 18. Frage zum Timing bei Spielende mit Interventionen Zitat: Q: If I play my last card, which is a character card, and you respond to it with interference card Shame on you! [Inter 402, E&I:A deck] ("I may play this card when you play your first character card on your turn: Your card is cancelled and discarded. You must play a replacement or retreat."), which is also your last card, I retreat, you attract a dragon, and we finish the game with all drgons in the centre of the board, who has won the game? A: I have. Your character card is played out of your hand into your combat area, thus emptying your hand, before I play my interference card. E&I rulesheet, under Interference Cards: 'You play your interference card from your hand in response to your opponent's action, as indicated on the card.', indicating that I play Shame on you! in response to your character card play, the action indicated on Shame on you!, thus you have played your character card first, and run out of cards first, and I win the game. Wenn ich als letzte Karte einen Charakter auslege, und dieser wird mit Schande gecancelt, welches meines Gegners letzte Karte war, ich mich daraufhin zurückziehen muß und nun alle 3 Drachen in der Mitte stehen, wer hat dann gewonnen? Antwort: Der Spieler mit der Intervention, da er zuletzt noch eine Karte besaß, als der den Char Spielende schon keine mehr hatte. 19. Schutzhüllen für BM-Karten Zitat: Q: Are there any card protectors available that fit Blue Moon cards? A: Two possible products have been identified by Blue Moon players. The first are at http://www.interhobby.co.kr/shop/shopdetail.html?brandcode=056001000007, however that is on a website entirely in Korean. The second are at http://www.cistamps.com/clear_sleeves.htm (product NF35). These are not a perfect fit, but reported as quite usable. Es gibt sie offenbar also inzwischen doch. Ich bin mir weiterhin der Tatsache bewußt, dass die deutsche FAQ-Liste aktuell nicht den letzten Stand des BM-Wissens widerspiegelt. Ich habe auch bereits eine aktualisierte PDF-Version begonnen, bin jedoch noch nicht fertig damit, und bitte hierfür um euer Verständnis. Das ist eine Menge Arbeit, die darin steckt, und die will erstmal getan sein... Ladoik: Super Ruwi, toll das du dich da nochmal dran setzt. Primus Magicus: Ruwi Ruwi Ruwi Ruwi!!!!!!:) in der Tat, super toll mensaman: Schön, dass jetzt geklärt ist, wo Karten überhaupt sein können. Jetzt zur unendlichen Schande-Spielende Geschichte. Der abgewehrte Charakter befindet sich in dem Moment, in dem Schande als Reaktion gepielt wird schon auf dem Spielfeld.Richtig, oder? Auf der Hand kann er ja nicht mehr sein. Eine AA, die sich Wie könnt ihr... fängt, liegt also auch schon auf dem Anführer, nur ihr Effekt wurde noch nicht verrechnet? Ist das jetzt des Timings Lösung? Ruwenzori: @mensa: ja, das würde ich so sehen. Hat das jetzt wieder irgendwelche Konsequenzen für bereits gelöst geglaubte Fälle? mensaman: Nein, ob ich das jetzt unsinnig finde odernicht, steht ja nicht zur Debatte, wichtig ist, dass die Regeln stimmig sind. Mit dieser Interpretation sind sie es. kilrah: Ruwenzori hat folgendes geschrieben: 17. Frage zum Sinn leerer BLUFF-Symbole Zitat: Q: What use is an EMPTY BLUFF icon? A: An EMPTY BLUFF icon allows you to play the card with it as a bluff card. Thus you can play Captain Su Cha [Buka 04] (EMPTY BLUFF icon) as a bluff card, but you can't play Captain Ariosa Paal [Buka 03] (RETRIEVE icon) as a bluff card, because it doesn't have a BLUFF icon of any sort. But an EMPTY BLUFF does not match either element (Buka Invasion rulesheet, under Bluffing: 'Some Buka characters have the FIRE BLUFF icon (yellow), the EARTH BLUFF icon (black) or the EMPTY BLUFF icon (clear).'). Thus a bluff card with an EMPTY BLUFF icon is always a losing bluff; if your bluff is called, then you lose, both the dragon and the forced retreat. This is because the bluff card with the EMPTY BLUFF icon, once revealed, matches the condition 'If any of your revealed bluff cards do not have a BLUFF icon in the current element' (Buka Invasion rulesheet, under Bluffing). Only the "real" bluff cards with the FIRE BLUFF and EARTH BLUFF icons can win a bluff (and only if you only have those, and all are of the right element). Diese Frage stellen wohl nur blutige Anfänger, und ich würde sie auch nicht in die deutsche FAQ aufnehmen wollen. Ich würd sie auf jeden Fall reintun. Steht zwar in den Regeln, wird aber sehr gerne übersehen. Ich erinnere mich noch an diese Frage in unserem Forum... Dearlove: A few minor comments - Ruwi and I obviously haven't been communicating. This is a diff from the January 2007 version. Actually there have been six versions since then, and there's about to be a seventh (but with nothing substantial in it - it's typo corrections and stuff like that). So some of the rules which it's noted have been in the German for a while - same here. - Ruwi's not entirely happy with the last answer he's filed under 9. Neither am I, but I'd make three points (a) I don't make up new rules, much as I sometimes would like to, though I sometimes need to stretch them a bit - but not unilaterally, (b) I did get an OK on this one, as in similar tricky cases, from Reiner, and - probably most important - (c) This has its problems, though they aren't entirely new, but the obvious alternatives - apart from being stretches of the rules - are worse (I worked my way through several when I incorrectly thought they might be needed). - Ruwi thinks 17 is obvious. So do I. (But then I helped write the rule.) But it answers a question that at leastt two people haven't asked, but have got wrong and got into a later tangle (they thought uncoloured bluff symbols were "wild" - which probably makes the Buka close to unbeatable). This incidentally ties in with the next point. - I have introduced (at some time in 2007) a proper short FAQ list with what I consider questions which are (a) new, "shields are icons", (b) not obvious, taking some work putting together, or (c) questions about principle, the "meta rules" that underlie the games rules and make them work in the difficult cases. Any views on my selection (which are at the usual place) welcome. (As the credits note, Frank Kilrah was an inspiration here.) I've now actually unified the XML source for this too, so they will definitely have the same wording except where I explicitly force them to be different. As ever. comments welcome. But if you've read this far your English is much better than my German ... Ruwenzori: Thanks for your comments, Chris. Dearlove hat folgendes geschrieben: - Ruwi and I obviously haven't been communicating. This is a diff from the January 2007 version. Actually there have been six versions since then, and there's about to be a seventh (but with nothing substantial in it - it's typo corrections and stuff like that). So some of the rules which it's noted have been in the German for a while - same here. I also noticed the intermediate versions, this is not due to lack of communication, but the amount of work such a "diff" of 2 versions is. I can do it only from time to time... Ich werde die Nr. 17 wohl auch in deutsche Liste aufnehmen, das Argument mit den LEERER BLUFF=Joker hat mich überzeugt, das mag wirklich jemand denken. Für alle Leser, denen der Fundort der englischen FAQ nicht geläufig ist, oder die sich die anderen erwähnten Listen einmal anschauen möchten, hier nochmals der Link: http://www.mnemosyne.demon.co.uk/bgames/bluemoon/ Gruß, Ruwi Ladoik: Das ist doch hier im Forum auch schon jemandem passiert, ich weiß nicht mehr wer aber ich bin sicher irgendwer hat anfangs auch genau das geglaubt. Wrzlprmft: Zitat: Ich werde die Nr. 17 wohl auch in deutsche Liste aufnehmen, das Argument mit den LEERER BLUFF=Joker hat mich überzeugt, das mag wirklich jemand denken. Nichts dagegen, es aufzunehmen, aber nur so am Rande: Das Problem dürfte auf das Englische beschränkt sein, da „uncoloured buffs“ im Gegensatz zu „leerer Bluff“ nicht bereits beinhaltet, dass hinter dem Bluff nichts steht. Allerdings kann ich mir in der heutigen Zeit leider auch gut vorstellen, dass jemand die Worte „leer“ und „Bluff“ in Verbindung weder kennt noch richtig interpretieren kann. Jack: *räusper*